PREFERENCE DEALS: DIRTY POLITICS.

[CEO]

WHY WOULD THE SHOOTERS PARTY BE COURTING RECREATIONAL FISHERS?  Well, we are both hunters, of a sort aren't we? (I prefer the word "harvest" for fishers!)  Well consider this! Recently, the Shooters Party won a major and surprising concession from Labor. They won the right to hunt feral animals in State forests. Now every concession comes at a price....you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, is an old Labor adage. Surprisingly, the current Fisheries Minister, Ian Macdonald, did the announcing about the Shooters Party concession and attempted to fend off the significant community backlash. Curious that he would make that announcement? Yes, of course it is! Labor are seriously concerned (and they have every need to be ) at the size and direction of the recreational fishers vote. We are truly the "X" factor in this election because there are so many of us...and they think we are not organized! Now the Shooters Party has preferenced Labor in the past and frequently support them in Parliament. Now, if the Shooters Party has done a deal with Labor for their preferences, in return for their concesson in state forests and part of the deal was to court recreational fishers (we are hunters too,) then clearly, any vote for the Shooters, flows onto Labor, by way of preferences. NO RED BLOODED RECREATIONAL FISHER WOULD SUPPORT THAT, after the lies and lockouts Labor has told and  imposed upon us! So it's a cunning scheme. As I said at a function last night. There are no rules in politics, and people will go to any lengths and do anything, to win. So ECOfishers has made NO committments and given NO undertakings, yet, about to whom or where their preferences will go. We will wait until we see where all groups preferences are directed and that won't be until after the Writs  are announced on March 2nd. The only certainity is, that neither Labor nor the Greens will even appear in the frame. And certainly not by way of "trickle down" preferences!  Not from recreational fishers! No way! So think and talk to your mates about it.   Finally, do ECOfishers want to be associated with the Shooters Party which has a serious image problem, within the wider community? Over to you. CEO

[row]

The shooters party has an insert in the March edition of a major national fishing magazine asking; "Sporting Shooters, Recreational fishers and 4wd drivers" to " stop the extreme greens from killing your sport", and as a rec fisher I certainly do want to do this, however the questions raised by CEO definitely need to be answered by the shooters party as a matter of the utmost priority. They could put their intentions up here to allay any concerns raised, I'm sure they monitor this website.

[Nete-Quette]

How to contact the shooters party and raise the questions that need to be answered:

http://www.shootersparty.org.au/index.php?option=com_contact&catid=12&Itemid=3

[CEO]

  Doug Joyner, of AFTA, has advised that he can categorically state, "AFTA does not supply any funds to any political party." So that puts another nasty rumour to bed, once and for all. It was akin to the rumour I heard from Doug last year, that ECOfishers was the political arm of the Fishing Party. That was never true either.  CEO

[petnic]

Robert  Brown was on "High Tide " today pushing for anglers to vote for the shooting party in the upper house ....he's back on tomorrow morning talking about their stand on preferences !
Pete

[BOB SMITH]

Isn't it bloody amazing now that an election is up and running and everybody is looking for the fishing vote.

Here are some facts you may consider about the newfound saviour of fishing, The Shooters Party.


John Tingle opened his mouth 396 times from 1995 through to May 2006 with most of that being QWN (questions without notice)

The Shooters voted with Labor on the Marine Parks  Bill in Nov 2000 and I can't find many instances where John Tingle did not side with them.

JT mentioned fishing 5 TIMES IN HIS CAREER IN PARLIAMENT
19.10.05    QWN on lead sinkers
22.06.05    QWN  Divers tax
09.11.04    Sharkfinning
05.12.97    Introduction of freshwater RFL (the only rec fishing topic)
05.12.95    Kingfish traps

Now we have the shooters sprouting about fishing as there is an election coming up

Robert Brown has spoken 38 times since taking over and NOT ONCE MENTIONED FISHING

I wonder was this mentioned on the Fisheries mouthpiece High Tide, if not it should be. It should also be mentioned that the ALP who the shooters side with made the Marine Park decisions not the Greens (they just incited it with political vote deals)

The ultimate game is to break up the Greens/Labor alliance and their supporters in this fishing and lock-out debate.


And to AFTA supporters the question must be asked as to why a self proclaimed APolitcal organisation has The Shooters Party advertisement in their Trade Newsletter.

Bob Smith

being honest (and pissed off with all the bullshit, lies, back room deals and head patting and the 2 bob each way mentality) If you want a better say then just change the government and save NSW and get your own party voice with TFP where I guarantee fishing will be a regular topic.

[CEO]

ECOFISHERS:  These are just some of the facts and statistics, we as recreational fishers need to know. (Thanks Bob) Irrespective of what the Shooters Party says, they still have a very poor public image. And fishers don't need to side with shooters, especially when their track record is so appalling - voted in favour of marine parks in the Upper House in 2000! Sounds very fishy to me! And what a clever political ploy to harness the recreational fishers vote....they could even have been put up to it by Labor! Anything is possible.  So let me say again. ECOfishers is not making any deals and not giving any undertakings to any political party or group, until after March 2nd  and only then, on the basis of where their preferences are directed. The only certainity, at this stage, is that neither Labor or the Greens will appear in our sights. And certainly NOT by a trickle down effect, by way of preferences! And the Shooters Party, whose track record I certainly don't admire, need to understand that loudly and clearly. Some independents are in the pocket of Labor and so are some of the fringe groups and smaller parties. All we've got to go on is the parliamentary and track  record of the Shooters Party......and it's not looking good (for them)  Jack Tait ,of the South Coast, has had two meetings with them and he is still keeping his powder dry. Those of you who hear these "High Tide" shows, please phone in and put these concerns to them. But remember, people will say and do anything to get re-elected!   CEO

[CEO]

SHOOTERS  PARTY:  Is this a none too subtle attempt to divide the massive recreational fishers vote?  Think very carefully about why, suddenly out of the woodwork, the Shooters Party instantly appears, uninvited, unannounced, and offering publicly, to assist the states one million recreational fishers? Their track record, from Hansard, shows clearly they have sided with Labor in the past. Then there was that mysterious and surprising announcement by Minister Macdonald allowing shooters access to state forests to shoot feral animals, .......Hmmmmm. There's far more to this than meets the eye.... even through a telescopic sight! Think about it!

[CEO]

 THE SHOOTERS PARTY has only one member of Parliament and he is in the Upper House. According to Bob, he voted with Labor in 2000, on their marine park legislation. What sort of difference can one person make? And when you look at his track record, there's nothing there to endear him to recreational fishers. The Shooters Party may hate the Greens. A lot of people do....even people in Labor! (Just look at the embarrassment the Greens have caused them over their joint marine parks) But that doesn't mean one million recreational fishers should sell their soul to Shooters......no, not by a long shot. The Shooters Party can't offer what the Coalition are offering......and the Coalition are the likely replacement for a tired, arrogant, lying, scandal ridden Labor government. So you don't have to make a decision now, just keep talking about it and seek more information. We ultimately want to make informed decisions, decisions that are best for recreational fishers, not necessarily decisions that are best for a Shooters Party that supports Labor more often than not!      CEO

[CEO]

  WHAT CAN THE SHOOTERS PARTY OFFER RECREATIONAL FISHERS?  REALLY!

[Nauti-gal]

the Aboriginal Elders met with the Shadow Att General a few days ago and showed him the illegal Gazettal processes that have led to marine parks amongst other things.  they also got word from the NSW Dept of lands to make submission on what the academic data they had to prove that the changes are fraudulent...Easy peezy...there is a mountain oif data already compiled and ready to sink the bombastic Labour alliance right to the bottom of the harbour ...
this was also shown to the Shadow Att General Chris Hartcher....Safe to say the Shadow was so impresseed, he agreed to back the Ngarakwal Nganduwal on the spot, even over the Byron Bay Bundjalung and the Tweed Byron Aboriginal Lands Coucnil...maybe it was a further recent letter for the NSW Aboriginal Affairs stating the same thing...equal staus to these real people granted at last....that convinced him. 
Nothing like collecting and collating the facts in anticipation of legal action against the Labour pirate crew to bring crooked polly's into line and put a smile on the faces of our future leaders ......Chris Hartcher , Att General of NSW?....

see for labour its always dirty deeds done dirt cheap.....and these mongrels always return to their own vomit....all one has to do is wait and collate

So patience paid off for the Ngarakwal.... no deals were struck....just facts brought to light......
And with impending injunctions filed squarley at the most henious of Labours motley mongrel crew.....it's Viva the revolution...and not one shot fired.
Who needs the Shooters party....?
 

[CEO]

  FISHING & OUTDOOR ALLIANCE:   Think about an alliance among the recreational fishers, the Outdoor and Recreation people, the Horseriders, the 4WD Clubs, the Shooters, the bushwalkers, the Coastal Rights Association, The Narooma Port Committee, etc etc.........   Crikey, that sounds HUGE. Any suggestions and ideas?    CEO

[ACTAngler]

  FISHING & OUTDOOR ALLIANCE:   Think about an alliance among the recreational fishers, the Outdoor and Recreation people, the Horseriders, the 4WD Clubs, the Shooters, the bushwalkers, the Coastal Rights Association, The Narooma Port Committee, etc etc.........   Crikey, that sounds HUGE. Any suggestions and ideas?    CEO

It's simple in theory.  All these different groups just need to agree on who they are going to advise people to vote for.  In practice, you may as well be herding cats.

[Nauti-gal]

Parliamentary Democracy, of the type we know, has been a cruel disappointment to all who really care about democracy.  So much was hoped; so much was confidently expected, in the days when our forebears were struggling to establish a democratic system. 
Something of course has been gained by it???and something has been lost.
But how little has really been achieved by political democracy, so far, in comparison with what it was expected to achieve!
And how deep and widespread has now become, as a consequence, our loss of faith in political institutions and persons!
 
Outside the ranks of the politicians themselves, how many people today have any pride left in parliament as an institution ? any respect for parliamentarians as such- and confidence in the sincerity or the ability of politicians in general ? any belief in the reality of parliamentary debates or the rationality of parliamentary decisions!

Who would you advise people to vote for?..........

[CEO]

TRYING TO ORGANISE & ACCOMMODATE the views of recreational fishers alone, is already like trying to load a truck load of ice cubes with chopsticks, in the summer sun.