COMMERCIAL QUOTAS: SHOULD OCEAN BEACH & ESTUARY HAUL FISHERS HAVE QUOTAS?

[kingpro]

              Whether or not hauling could continue would depend on that particular marine park rules and zoning and each marine Park is different.
              Marine Parks hit pros much harder than recs as pros are largely banned from habitat protection zones (approx 30%) as well as sanctuary zones (approx 20%). Whereas rec fishers are not banned from habitat protection zones.
               Pros are also subject to method bans such as set lining. 
              So it is not the recs or pros being targeted - it is fishing in general being targeted.
               There is no point comparing pro and rec catches for the purpose of opposing Marine Parks and I don't think you would be able to get figures for any particular area (Laurieton - Crowdy) without a site specific survey being undertaken.
                 The NPA doesn't care who is catching how much - they want it all banned.
                  You seem preoccupied with the pro catching Mulloway and Kings and whether this still is happenning. I don't think there is any point in that.
                   This is not a pro vs rec argument.
                    It is is National Parks Association & greens vs all fishing methods.
'knpro
                 
               

[CEO]

   Woodie, commercial fishers who have traditionally worked in a marine park, will be offered a "buy-out," when the park is zoned and it is clear the zones will restrict their livelihood. Some take it and retire. Some take it and use their golden handshake to re-finance themselves with another endorsement etc. So while commercial fishers get a buy-out, rec fishers get shown the door - the door of the government's marine park!

[woodie]

   Woodie, commercial fishers who have traditionally worked in a marine park, will be offered a "buy-out," when the park is zoned and it is clear the zones will restrict their livelihood. Some take it and retire. Some take it and use their golden handshake to re-finance themselves with another endorsement etc. So while commercial fishers get a buy-out, rec fishers get shown the door - the door of the government's marine park!

I know CEO has worked wonders in the manning river with the buy out a few years back, can now catch a legal size fish as they have a restricted zone area, locals new it would take a few years for river to recover but it has done this place well even for Pro fishers.

and a few did run with the buy out thank to them river system is looking very good for all.

[woodie]

   Woodie, commercial fishers who have traditionally worked in a marine park, will be offered a "buy-out," when the park is zoned and it is clear the zones will restrict their livelihood. Some take it and retire. Some take it and use their golden handshake to re-finance themselves with another endorsement etc. So while commercial fishers get a buy-out, rec fishers get shown the door - the door of the government's marine park!

I know CEO has worked wonders in the manning river with the buy out a few years back, can now catch a legal size fish as they have a restricted zone area, locals new it would take a few years for river to recover but it has done this place well even for Pro fishers.

and a few did run with the buy out thank to them river system is looking very good for all.

i forgot to mention river is looking good as it has been opened at old bar, which is another issue but how long it will be open for  god knows, which we all need to support not just for fish but oyster farmers....

[woodie]

 a few good posts in here

[kingpro]

   Woodie, commercial fishers who have traditionally worked in a marine park, will be offered a "buy-out," when the park is zoned and it is clear the zones will restrict their livelihood. Some take it and retire. Some take it and use their golden handshake to re-finance themselves with another endorsement etc. So while commercial fishers get a buy-out, rec fishers get shown the door - the door of the government's marine park!

     A few significant facts omitted here.
     CEO - you make it sound like peaches and cream - its not
    Only some of the pros affected are offered buyouts - the majority remain and try to continue working around the closures at considerable loss of income and NO compensation
    Fishers with young families and mortgages certainly cannot afford to give up work.
    Some of the older pros may retire - if they receive an offer, most dont and the offer is usually tokenistic at best - hardly enough to retire on.
     If you do take a buyout you cannot regain any entitlements in that zone so - no you cannot re-finance and get another entitlement.
     That was the case with rec fishing havens - another blatant vote grabbing exercise by slimy labor politicians, but not with marine parks.
      Dont forget the more you clap your hands with glee at the demise of the commercial industry the closer you are to becoming the single focus of the green anti-fishing lobby. Once the professional industry is gone its much easier to remove the recreational fishers.
      What did CEO have to do with the creation of the Manning Rec fishing havens? - please elaborate
'kinpro
 

[CEO]

    And this is not a pro v's rec fishers site either. ECOfishers leave that to others! For the record, a number of pro's who were bought out in the Cape Byron Political Park, (golden handshakes, up to $375,000) bought straight back into the industry, using different endorsements. Their "buy-out," depended on their fishing history over the preceding 5 years. All they had to do was sign a document, agreeing to not fish/work within the boundaries of the political park, for the next 5 years. Most had multiple endorsements. How do we know? ECOfishers was asked by some of the commercial fishers, to assist with their negotiations. This we were quite happy to do and did. We were even able to expedite the confidential agreements and payments.. ECOfishers was also represented on the marine park advisory committee. That's how we knew and were able to assist. ECOfishers has had plenty of experience dealing with bureaucrats. We do it for a living, on behalf of NSW recreational fishers!
 As we outlined at our massive Laurieton meeting, commercial fishing, (Spanner Crab fishery) is permitted in Habitat Protection Zones, in the government's Cape Byron Political Park. Other HPZ's restrict some methods of recreational angling too.
       After having a long and involved chat with some commercial colleagues on the Clarence, we are toying with an idea for next weeks topic, to be somehing closely related to fisheries management!

[kingpro]

                 This post directly concerns pros and as such i feel compelled to comment - woodies comments and inferences are blatantly anti - pro and i did try to make it clear that this is not a pro vs rec argument yet the dialogue continued in that vein.

                  As a member of an advisory committee you would be aware of the facts as I have previously mentioned and maybe also of the inequities and inconsistencies in the whole process as well as the supposed "confidentiality" of agreements.
                 
                  As far as dealing with bureaucrats - ask any pro - we do it every day & every day we get poked in the eye.
'kinpro

[CEO]

     Kingpro, you may have just been responsible for re-educating some of the misinformed rec fishers. Thank you for your continuing contributions. We do appreciate them!